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• 1 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm

  Excellent stuff! Knew it would be worth coming back here later on in the day!

• 2 Darren // Jul 11, 2009 at 8:51 pm

  Glad you liked it. Tomorrows post is going up at 8am, been written and scheduled. So something to read while having a cuppa and breakfast.

  ^_^

• 3 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 11, 2009 at 8:59 pm

  Ta ny mate! Above stoves exttravaganza correctly linked in to new OM thread, now! Thanks Mole, lol! Only put a link in missing out the ’s’ on ‘whitespider’ didn’t I!!!!

• 4 Darren // Jul 11, 2009 at 9:08 pm

  Trev, thanks hope folks there like it, or find it useful.

• 5 baz carter // Jul 12, 2009 at 7:03 am

  Looking at the flame spread on some of those stoves it would seem that some of them would be a better choice than others. Whilst they all ‘work’ the top burning stoves like the Gnome would look to be more efficient in the sense that they concentrate the flame under the pot rather than up the side. Using a windshield would help control the flame but I cant but think that some are inherently better in use than others.

• 6 Darren // Jul 12, 2009 at 8:44 am

  Baz, the idea of the video was to show some stoves in use with it. If you notice that the 3 I recommend for flexability of use with the bushbuddy are all “top burners”, and that is because of the spread of the flame.
  The reasoning behind showing some of the stoves was as follows:
  decagon – that is the one Bob recommends.
  whitebox solo – one of the folks that contacted me about this was thinking of using the whitebox solo with it.
  You also have to look at the pot you are using, I’m not saying I used the right pots in the video. everyone knows if they are using a whitebox they need a wide pot.
  But good points none the less.
  Some on a certain forum only watched a little of the video and missed the bit at the end where I said a windscreen would be required as well.
  The way shown was ok for a light breeze anything stronger would definitely need a windscreen. Plus for filming sake to show the things in use I had to do without a windscreen so folks could see flames etc.

• 7 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 12, 2009 at 9:18 pm

  Yes, wish I had a new mouse so could cut and paste that onto the OM thread Darren!

• 8 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 12, 2009 at 9:27 pm

  I have written in a bit there on that now anyways ok!

• 9 Darren // Jul 12, 2009 at 9:39 pm

  thnx, also CTRL-C and CTRL-V is copy and paste

• 10 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 13, 2009 at 4:44 am

  Is it! I never knew that, will get the hang of this computer stuff one day!!!! lol

• 11 Mole // Jul 13, 2009 at 9:31 am

  Some on a certain forum only watched a little of the video and missed the bit at the end where I said a windscreen would be required as well.

  Darren – that was me I think. Watched it all in the end thanks to Trev.

  I do enjoy your site and your commitment to reviewing the stoves etc. Cheers

  My points were

  9 minutes is quite a long clip, so I would have put the bit about a windshield being needed before rather than after. It would have been useful I think and not put off hasty buggers like me!

  and, I do think (Like Baz) that you may unintentionally be giving a false impression as to the usefulness of the potstand with some of the stoves- even with a wider pan – fuel consumption/boil times per quantity of cold water would be needed to give a truer picture but I guess you know that!

  Thanks

  Mole

• 12 Darren // Jul 13, 2009 at 10:45 am

  Mole, thanks for the comment and the praise.
  Some interesting points.
  The main point was not to review the stoves, I like to give the stove their own dedicated special for that so that I can cover all the points (hopefully), which is where I give boil time, and use the correct pot etc And for these I always try and review the information I give, which if folks think I am missing something that they think they need to know then I’m always open to adding that information to the videos. I want them to be as informative as possible to folks.

  I thought 9 mins to show 7 stoves in use as backup to a Bushbuddy was short. Normally it takes that long for one stove!

  I can see the windshield comment working at the start. But I did feel that it was right to have it at the end as part of the summary.

  Sadly Baz is off on holiday so we will have to wait until he gets back to clarify whether his point was based around the fact I was using wrong pots or not.

  I still say that the point of the video was not to review the stove but show how they worked in use with the bushcooker/bushbuddy. Which they all could, but as I said at the end 3 give better options as backup than the others.
  But lets look at the worse offender in the video for the flame being wide, the Whitebox Solo. If we take the pot out of the equation, and assume we are using a pot wide enough. Then from a stability point of view using as shown in the video there is a benefit, as things are more stable.

• 13 padstowe // Jul 13, 2009 at 12:27 pm

  Hi great vid!! I agree with you that your point was to show the usefulness of the stoves in conjunction with the bush buddy/cooker, & believe for that purpose you showed it quite well. I have 1 ?, not relevant to the stoves, but more with the combination, bush buddy with the eta power pot. Can you think of a secondary pot that can also fit inside, or is there just no room?

• 14 Mole // Jul 14, 2009 at 9:46 am

  Hi Darren
  Thanks for replying
  Points taken about your intentions!

  Still not sure about the stand with the wider flamed burners though – reckon you’ll be losing heat through the stand as the flames will be touching it.

  with my homemade wood burners I have found that the best meths burner was a chimney – like the cone burner as it focusses the flame to the pot base not to the stand/woodburner, so losing effiency

  Cheers

• 15 Darren // Jul 14, 2009 at 1:12 pm

  padstowe, thanks for the comment. I can’t see how you could get another pot inside the fit although not exact is not enough to fit another pot.

  Mole, you have a point there, it is the same about which is best stove to use with the ETA Express pot with it’s heat exchanger. The decagon stove had a flame that was not heating the stand. The whitebox was.

• 16 baz carter // Jul 24, 2009 at 9:01 am

  Bob recommends the Decagon because it fits nicely in the Bushbuddy (and that he sells them!)

  I bought a Gnome to use as a back up because it was a top burner and that it needs a stand to hold the pot. The AGG Pepsi can stove didnt work as it’s a wide pot stove and the flames licked up the side of the pot. I use a Primus pot (the one that the ETA is based on) for my Bushbuddy as it’s pretty much the same dimensions as the Snow Peak 900.

• 17 Darren // Jul 24, 2009 at 1:21 pm

  See I see that as an example of using the correct type of stove for the pot using.

  Baz, you may have a point there However considering that in my Bushbuddy setup I store the SnowPeak 300 mug as well the Decagon is no use in that way. Although the other smaller stoves would be.

• 18 baz carter // Jul 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm

  Indeed hence the purchase of the Gnome – it fits tidily in the well in the centre or in my Snow Peak 600 mug if I’m using that.

• 19 david fowler // Jul 24, 2009 at 2:14 pm

  just wondered which stove is the most effective and efficient in windy conditions, i suppose it comes down to the most effective windshield like a caldera cone but i wondered if although a good windshield seems the obvious answer maybe it isan’t. the u.k always seems so windy

• 20 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 25, 2009 at 1:11 pm

  Uuum! Well, my own understanding of just why it was that the Decagon became a Bob BPL.co.uk recommended addition was in fact because he found it fitted exactly perfectly inside of the Honey Stove, not the Bush Cooker Bush Buddy lookelike. It certainly stated that on his website too, and he reiterated that specific point a coupla times too on OM threads for the Honey. On the OM threads for the Bush Cooker though, where Bob definitely did pop in to contribute, he made no mention at all of the Decagon going inside of that as I can recall.

• 21 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 25, 2009 at 1:14 pm

  David, yes the UK is very windy, and this same question was posed on OM forum; to which the replies were of the opinion that there is usually some kind of cover around you can make use of as a windshield, the best of which sometimes can even be the tent itself.

• 22 Darren // Jul 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm

  Trevor, I have emails from readers that have been told that, and also have a look at the Bushcooker video that Bob did.

  David, yes it’s windy over here, but there is always some form of extra cover around. Plus in the video that second method of actually using the main body would provide a pretty good windshield.

• 23 baz carter // Jul 25, 2009 at 5:09 pm

  Some where in the depths of time, in a dusty corner of cyberspace is a brief exchange of words between Bob and I. In those words Bob mentioned the fact that the Decagon fits nicely in a Bush Buddy… I’d go and search for if I could be arsed

• 24 Trevor D Gamble // Jul 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

  Don’t worry Baz, it’s ok my mate I believe you, lol!

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